Sylvester Stallone’s wife Jennifer Flavin Stallone thinks that other celebrity couples’ children are transgender because their lives lack “structure,” as she told former Trump administration official Katie Miller on her podcast this week. Flavin, a skincare brand owner and former model who married Stallone in 1997, made the comments on an episode of The Katie Miller Podcast scheduled for release Monday. In a clip from the episode posted to Miller’s Instagram account, Flavin theorized — without evidence — that children of Hollywood celebrities are more likely to come out as transgender because of poor, overly-permissive parenting. “I just think Hollywood is, you know, it’s all about expression.

So, you know, however you want to express yourself. If you feel like a cat today, you’re a cat,” Flavin said. “And it’s so loosey-goosey, I don’t think we’re really understanding that these kids are not our accessories. They’re little human beings that need structure. And structure is really important for them because it helps their brain organize everything.”Flavin went on to insinuate (again without evidence) that other celebrity parents did not raise their children with “common sense” and accused those parents of pressuring their gender-nonconforming children to identify as trans. “I mean, my daughters were tomboys,” Flavin said in the clip. “They preferred to wear pants than dresses, you know? And they loved sports. But I never said, ‘Oh, you’re a boy now.’ I just said, ‘You love to play sports, you love to hang out with boys, that’s awesome.’”

Although some celebrities’ children have come out publicly in the recent past, like Robert De Niro’s daughter Airyn, there is no evidence that children raised in Hollywood are more likely to do so. Flavin’s comments about “feel[ing] like a cat” also appear to reference a long-debunked conservative talking point, which alleges that some U.S. schools keep cat litter on hand for cat-identified students; schools sometimes stock cat litter for active shooter emergencies and drills. Flavin’s appeal to “common sense” and “structure” was unsurprising, given the platform on which it was delivered. Host Katie Miller is married to White House deputy chief of staff Stephen Miller, an anti-immigrant white nationalist and one of the most influential members of the second Trump administration.

The Millers met while working for Trump in his first term and were married in 2020; earlier this year, Katie Miller briefly worked as one of the first appointees to Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency, before leaving the administration in May amid the feud between Musk and Trump. Miller launched The Katie Miller Podcast in August, joining a growing segment of the podcast industry dubbed the “femosphere” or “womanosphere” — a counterpart to the right-wing “manosphere” — where conservative women like Riley Gaines and Candace Owens can peddle their ideology.“By getting out there and doing soft-focus interviews, Katie Miller might just be trying to cast an image of herself as first lady material,” journalist Amanda Marcotte wrote on Salon last month. “She’s presenting herself as a sweet, affable wife whose ability to make small talk with important people offers a useful moderating force on her snarling bully of a husband [….] The anesthetizing effect, in that case, feels quite deliberate, coming from people who very much want Americans to sleepwalk into an authoritarian state.”